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What amp?
Topic Started: Feb 4 2008, 10:33 PM (378 Views)
smurf77
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I am currently using a Marshall AVT275 but have never been too happy with the sound. Don't like Fender either.
I need a minimum of 150 watts and don't mind a combo or half stack. My 2 seater convertible car has little boot space so a 4 x 12 cab is out of the question.
I play predominantly Rock & Indie.
What amps do you guys rate?
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Gibson LP Standard
Fender Strat (USA)
Fender Tele (Mex)
Marshall AVT 275
Roland GT6
Roland Microcube
Roland 30 Bass Cube
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roast
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May I ask, why exactly do you require 150watts?

A decent 50watt tube combo would do the trick. Tube amps are louder than their wattage rating, per say. You could argue that a 50 watt Tube amp would sound as loud as a 100~ watt solid-state amp.
You could buy a nice Marshall TSL602, which is a 60 watt combo amp with two 12" speakers. Its small, loud, and has a wide range of tones, very versatile.
If you're looking for a tube amp with built-in effects, how about a Hughes and Kettner Switchblade? Awesome amplifiers.

BTW, seeing as you wouldnt mind a Half-Stack, Id like to point out that a halfstack is a Head (Amplifier) and a 4x12 cabinet. So....Thats out of the question, as it wouldnt fit in your car.
Guitars:
2007 Custom Built handmade Les Paul.
2007 Custom Built handmade maple Stratocaster
2006 Stratocaster Luthier Built
Fernandes Ravelle Elite w/Sustainer + EMG
Yamaha F310 Acoustic

Amps:
Hughes And Kettner Warp 7
Marshall TSL602
Marshall SLP
Cornford H50
Bogner Shiva
Fender Super 60

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smurf77
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Why do i need 150w....I play in a 5 piece band, medium size venues at least twice a week so need something loud enough to cut through as well as reliable. Not familar with tube amps. How reliable are they because I was told the tubes blow and cost a packet to keep replacing.
Ok, a head + 2 x12 cab or combo is more suitable.
Don't need fx as I have a GT6
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Gibson LP Standard
Fender Strat (USA)
Fender Tele (Mex)
Marshall AVT 275
Roland GT6
Roland Microcube
Roland 30 Bass Cube
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Bullet
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Well what is your budget?

You don't really need 150 watts, that is way too exessive. 100watts would be fine. I myself have a head and 2x12 cab because I don't have the space for a 4x12.

Tube amps are realiable, maybe not as reliable as a solid state, but the tubes don't literally blow all the time, in fact I have never changed tubes in ANY amp and I have gone through 3 tube amps, all of which worked FINE at the time I sold them and I have them for at least a year.

So, tell me your budget and I will help :)
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roast
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If you really want 100watts....

Go for a Marshall TSL100 Head. Thats 100watts pure tube. WAAAY louder than a 100watt solidstate. Go for a Marshall 1915 2x12 cabinet, and there you go. Instant quarter-stack, with exceptional tone and quality.
Guitars:
2007 Custom Built handmade Les Paul.
2007 Custom Built handmade maple Stratocaster
2006 Stratocaster Luthier Built
Fernandes Ravelle Elite w/Sustainer + EMG
Yamaha F310 Acoustic

Amps:
Hughes And Kettner Warp 7
Marshall TSL602
Marshall SLP
Cornford H50
Bogner Shiva
Fender Super 60

Effects:
Morley BH Wah
Boss: DS1 CS2 BD2 TU2 CH1 DD3
Digitech Whammy
Proco Rat Clone
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+ Rob S
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Hi There! ;)
The usual problem that we tend to come across is that there is something of a misconception about Wattage differences between Solid State (Transistor Amps) and Valve Amps.

"Usually" one finds that the Solid State Amps boast higher Wattage values for Output. Luckily enough, I have worked in a Band where a Second Guitarist came in and he had a Marshall AVT100 where I use a 55 Watt Valve Head through a 2X12 Cabinet, so I am reasonably able to explain the differences between Solid State Output and Valves in "Band Situations"

When we were setting up, I suggested that the Marshall might benefit from being run through my Spare 2X12 as it would improve its projection. Sorry, should have stated earlier that the AVT was a 100 Combo.
So we hooked it up and yes.... when Ted played a bit through the Rig we all commented that it was a Vast improvement. However, both myself and the Drummer were sharing a few concerned glances because we were afraid that he would struggle once we were all playing.

When we kicked Off into a Loose Jam just to get a Feel for eachother's styles etc, I had my Head set with Volume at 6 and Master Volume at about 4. I always have my Guitar's Volume rolled off to about 5 until Solos come up, so I have a pretty Cleanish Rhythm Sound and just open the Volume for the Grind when Soloing. Ted had already Upped his Volume to compete with my Clean sound. I stopped before we got to Solos because I could see that he was clearly unhappy with something. It turned out that he was on Full Volume!

So..... in an attempt to Boost him we disconnected the Cab and just ran his Combo in case the Extra Cab had robbed him of any Volume? It helped a tad but we lost the Spread of sound and the clarity. Ted then asked what would happen if we just continued,,,,, so we did. I was quite content to just step back and hold the Rhythm down whilst he showed us what he could do. A VERY Fine Guitar Player, but completely let down by his Amp! He nodded over to me and he picked up the Rhythm and I just opened the Taps and away we went. I couldn't hear him at all!!
So we then swapped Amps and yes..... No Way could the AVT keep up.

We talked about it afterwards and he soon realised that whilst his AVT Boasts 100 Watts, it actually can only produce about 30 consistantly when compared to a Valve Amp. He subsequently got himself a decent Valve Head and is now with the Band as their only Guitarist after I left due to relocating.

The Problem..... IF you can call it that...... Is that Solid State Wattage just works so differently.
Valve Amps are "usually" measured at Peak Wattage "Clean". So if you take say a Vox AC30, it will rate at 30 Watts..... But Clean. When it's getting Dirty or downright Filthy.....THEN it will be pushing somewhere in the 65 Watt Range!!!!!!!

As To The Stability of a Valve Amp? Well as others have already said ....... Look after them and they rarely let you down. Abuse them and it is a different story. But I have had Valves last me well in excess of 10 Years with no signs of trouble.

The only thing I would point out is that a Valve Amp will inevitably weigh considerably more than any Solid State Amp.... so that may become a Factor?
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peter_chains
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i personally play in a doom down sounding metal band so went with a bass amp... its a hartke 350 watts... the other guitarist uses the same and has for years... sounds pretty much the same, but as u can guess a bit more bassy then ur average amp... but if u have good pedals that doesnt even come into the acuation... also its cheaper!! i got that amp recently for only €540 and i barely go above volume 3... but has the range to go louder if needed. best decision iv made.
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tylerstrat89
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hey

first of all, i would highly recommend you do NOT buy a solidstate amp. they are uttrly useless for power.

ill give you a good selection of top valve amps,
some may be in your budget and some miles above.
but there is no harm in having a look at them.

first of all here is some valve amps i own

custom audio amplifiers od100 classic (head)
marshall dsl 100 (head)
Cornford mk50 (head)
Bogner Shiva (combo)
Fender super 60 (combo)
Fender hot rod deville 4*10 (combo)
Mesa Boogie mk4 (combo and head)
rivera m60 with slavemaster (combo)


theres just a few.

i noticed you said you dont like fender amps.
but i do recommnd you try a fender super 60
as they have an alrightish clean channel
but an amazing overdrive.
i used to use the super 60 in my old metal band.
this amp was passed on to me from a family
relative and it is 20 years old.
tubes have never been changed and it
still sounds amazing

a mesa boogie would be a great amp to get.
you should manage to get one cheap off ebay
well maybe for about 1000pound

and for the custom audio od100
if you have close to 2000pound to spend an amp on
make sure you buy this one lol
my favourite :D


well i hope it helped a bit because i dont usually
like typing for nothing haha

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fender strat custom shop classic
1987 fender strat usa (active emg's)
gibson les paul 59 re-issue custom shop
james tyler burning water
PRS Custom 22 10top

Mesa Boogie mk4
Cornford mk60
Rivera M60
Bogner Shiva
Custom Audio Amplifers od100classic
Vintage Marshall 4*12 cab (greenbacks)

dunlop crybaby wah
Maxon SD-9
Arion modded chorus (vibe mod)
Menatone Red Snapper
Fulltone Deja Vibe
Ernie Ball Volume
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Voodoo Labs Pro-Octavia
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